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PostSubject: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 10:45 am

Yep. Egypt is screwed. We're probably going to enter a "Worse than Iran" phase unless they can't override some of the country's civil regulations. Say goodbye to your dream home, Zero. Anyway, here are a few rumors about some of the changes they're concerned over:

• All women are not to walk in public areas without wearing a hijab.
• Schools and work areas will be separated for both genders.
• Casinos, Cafes, and such will be removed or demolished.
• Non-muslims will be required to pay a Gizia fine for not choosing Islam as a religion (it wasn't confirmed, but it's a rumor).
• Outdoor sports for women will be banned (again, not confirmed yet).

As much as this does sound insane, even for any Muslim out there, I think we're only in for more trouble than ever. Hopefully, they won't be as powerful enough as everyone fears to be able to override those regulations, and so I pray. Confound these religious buffoons who believe that religion is what runs a democracy in the 21st century. God forbid such malevolent hounds. Sorry if I do seem like I'm panicking, but it's just that...I'm not even in a relationship yet to be going through all this!
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 11:05 am

Kimo, are they going to censor your Internet too? If so, then that should be a sign for you to just pack your bags and leave, if all of this is not enough... I hate hearing about this and I pray to God that my country, the United States of 'Merica does not get involved...we can't afford another war in the Middle East.

I remember from the first time I was familiar with the Muslim Brotherhood by researching them when Hosni Mubarak was dictating and this was to be predicted to happen not until next year at the most. I'm sorry to hear this, I wish the best for you and I hope you find either a better place to live or await some other political entity to change the tables once again.

The one thing that makes me cringe is the conservative view that radicals such as the Brotherhood share (On Women's Rights/segregation, just all the discrimination in general.) Excuse me for my assuming, but, I have no doubt that there are already political activists trying to override them, as we can all hope so. Another thing that makes me cringe is that their priorities are totally messed up. Ugh...
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 11:49 am

Thanks, Digi, and no; they're not going to censor our internet hopefully, or not like in other Arabian countries. And speaking, why would your state get involved with us? No offense, but I never actually heard about it tell I met you lol.

Discrimination is a common factor mainly controlled by several sources. The reason they're bringing the Gizia back is because it was used back during the prophet's days as a way to receive support since Islam wasn't big back then, but now with nearly one-third of the world being full of Muslims, I don't see the point in it with all the economical sufferings most of the people back here are facing. As for the anti-women rights, it's just to keep the whole "taking a peep" which has been common between boys under control. What's nonsensical is that you're literally screwing life for the other sex just so you could keep males away from the whole "glaring" term. That's bull. That's just serious bull.

As for moving, I don't suppose that is possible, but we did sort of joke around about it since we never believed that something like this would come (and how wrong we were). We might, but not at the moment, and I don't suppose the situation would get TOO ugly to determine such a strenuous move. And you are right about political activists doing what they can too.

A few moments ago, I was quite worried, but when I recalled everything, there should be no reason for panic. because eventually, if they do screw things up, we're not going to sit back and watch like what had happened several years ago with Mubarak. I'm sure of that.
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 12:29 pm

What I meant by U.S. intervention is a reference to the Gulf Wars, and the recent attack on Libya from both U.S. and the U.K., etc. And a thought I have been pondering on is what type of regime would work best for Egypt? You are currently under an Islamic Republic, a Theocracy, which is never good news. I had in mind any sort of Socialist state, or maybe a more Liberal state with edits to your constitution could handle decent stability. What's your thoughts Kimo?

Oh and a quote from New York Times:
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The Brotherhood has pledged to respect basic individual freedoms while using the influence of the state to nudge the culture in a more traditional direction. But the conservatives who will become its coalition partners, the Salafis, often talk openly of laws mandating a shift to Islamic banking, restricting the sale of alcohol, providing special curriculums for boys and girls in public schools, and censoring the content of the arts and entertainment. -New York Times
As I see it, they're raging hypocrites. Hold on as I go pick up my personal Qur'an and try to find something that supports women's rights.
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 12:45 pm

Yeah, 2011 was a time of bloodshed in many countries. I hope you can get through it :/

I can only hope that other countries don't intervene, and that if anything the people don't like happens, I'm sure that the people will change it as well.

I never liked what was going on in Libya, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, but I'm sure it can all work out.

Also, like Digi said, if the US intervenes, prepare for a new world. Whether it's right or wrong, they tend to force their culture upon us (trust me, I live in Canada).
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 5:17 pm

Kimo, are you sure about this????
Like, sure sure?

(And what's hijab, is it this? I know it in arabic only <.<, and also I'm from Egypt too, don't forget that..I regret that QQ
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 7:00 pm

Kimo-San, why are you giving us information to make us all panic, this information is completely false, I asked my parents about the Islamic brotherhood and the changes you mentioned, they said that was before and now they said they will NOT do these changes, and whoever voted for them probably are elders. This information is completely false and I think the topic should be locked, since the brotherhood themselves said they will not do this.

Second of all, Egypt is the mother of the world. Doing this will just prove its another foreign country that's just too unfair and will greatly lower the amount of tourists coming in to Egypt. Egypt has the nicest people, and I think that the Islamic Brotherhood are just trying to make our lovely country exactly like any foreign or cultural country. (ie. Saudi Arabia)

I don't like the hearing of all this, if this happens I'm truly going to slap my father if he says were not going to England only to Egypt again. But this year, 2011 was probably the worst year to be in. 2011 is where all the problems in the world are advancing and are just getting worse.

I pray God let us rest in the future, or 2012.
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 8:16 pm

The U.S. does not intervene because of a difference in culture, they intervene purely because of financial interests, so long as Egypt continues to serve the real free market and allows it self to be abused for profit in accordance to those laws all countries are made to abide too they will be a-ok, you'd be surprised by how many dictatorships the U.S. supports because they serve their interests, our own 7 years of dictatorship back in 1967 was made in U.S.A. after all.

If I've learned something from seeing incompetent or profit-serving politicians is not to blame only the politics, blame those who vote and support them first and foremost, we don't get the responsibility we have otherwise, and that IS the majority of the citizens of a nation, if your elderly alone were enough compared to the rest of the population to elect a government you must have some serious issues with pensions.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the ideals backed purely by profit are worse than ideals backed by a bit of profit, a bit of trust and mostly a dead unmoving mind, you have to give a bit of respect, in comparison to the latter, to those who abuse you for money, even if they are what is truly wrong they are human beings with rational thought acting towards a real interest, sometimes I think one should have more hatred towards the ones who abuse you for a vague purpose and hardly rational thought, there is not reason and not much gain behind it so it's a "why?" to kill for.

Btw, how cute, pyro believes what politicians say.

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Confound these religious buffoons who believe that religion is what runs a democracy in the 21st century.
Oh come on, Kimo, religions like the islam and christianity all talk of, hail and revere kings, the old religions said kings are gods, but the modern ones say gods are kings. And what's more democratic than a king, right?

But I understand why there is so much unrest about this, religion based policitcal systems naturally oppose democracy by definition, hinder the advance of human culture and of course are abandoned by all modern and advanced nations, not to of course condemn religions, but also to respect them, it is a person's free choice and should not be in the structure of a nation itself, for both the nation and religious beliefs to function properly, right?
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote   The Islamic Brotherhood Wins the Vote EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 8:25 pm

I did some extra research, and read the extract Digi left us several times, and it seems that I was misguided. I kept continuously hearing these new laws, and it was explained to me that both intended to do as so, but in truth, only the Salafi did. However, I feel very uneasy towards the Islamic Brotherhood because they do actually intend to use Islam as a source for sorting out the new laws, but even though it did coordinate life in a suitable manner back then, many new aspects need to be taken into account. Saudi Arabia did a not-so-bad job if not for all the anti-women rights, the Emirates knew what had to be done and aimed for that, yet I do not trust the laws being within the hands of the Brotherhood. This whole religious act is a getup just to gain trust, but what I do know about them is that they are only aiming for self gain. I hope I am truly wrong about them and that they do not let us all down.

Digi, I thought you were only speaking about your state, which did sort of confuse me a little (mind me, I misread). From what I think, this new move of theirs seems more like a gamble; it could become a complete success, or a great downfall. Personally, I believe we''ll still be able to keep a Liberal State since Egypt now supports freedom of speech since Mubarak left. And yes, women rights were mentioned in the Holy book if I can recall. I can't remember which verse exactly, but it was stated that men and women are to be treated equally, and men were ordered to treat their women with kindness and grace. There was no point in details because both men and women being alike was far enough as an explanation, but the Salafi are either twisting that fact around or just don't completely apprehend what the book is trying to say, but it most likely isn't the latter.

RCbobo, I still am curious on why everything happening right now picked that certain date. It's literally one event after the other: freedom of Tunisia, attack of Gidafi and Libyan army against protesters, the death of Osama Bin Laden (except that I am grateful that such a deviant is long gone despite death being an event that should not be celebrated), and so on. And don't worry about us; nothing will be as bad as it seems.

Naw, don't worry, Nour; it turns out they're not the ones who were aiming for that. You're free to flock your hair everywhere you go for the time being. *Pats*

Actually, Pyro, gossips have been flying all over the country since the leave of Mubarak. One of the ones I heard were that of the false intentions of the Brotherhood, so forgive me for that, but these goals do belong to another tribe. Also, don't simply request a topic to be locked if the discussion is still going on, or simply because you just want everyone to simply believe your ideas without enough proof. I don't blame you, but I do support the fact that you are trying to discuss with us grown-ups.

And once again, Al just explained a lot I honestly had on my chest, and some I couldn't actually put into words. By the way, I beat you in wall-o-texts today.
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