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onlyaaron17 WDA Member
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| Subject: Road to dn admin Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:10 pm | |
| So yeah I've decided to go on the road of dn admin. I know a lot of people take the exam but don't really try to become dn admin. I did read up on article of recent admins who and their hardships with some good times, but I think this what I want. I want to have the knowledge and be able to use it and know it. I know there are a couple admins here, and I want to ask you: how and what did you do to become admin on dn? I've asked a couple. So far king wolfy told me to start with the battle phase. | |
| | | L.Lawliet Envoy Soldier
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:23 pm | |
| Official Rulebook: http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook/YGO_RuleBook_EN-v8.pdf
How to read the new Problem Solving Card Text (PSCT): http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=2906 http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=2915 http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=2947 http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=2962 http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=3111 http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=3140
Important stuff: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/SEGOC http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Priority http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Missing_the_Timing http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Breakdown_of_the_Battle_Phase (only need to read the TCG one)
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Replay http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Infinite_Loop http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Condition_Effect http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Lingering_Effect http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_mechanics http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activation_%26_Targeting_Eligibility
Frequently troublesome rulings: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Skill_Drain http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Effect_Veiler http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Thunder_King_Rai-Oh http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Light_and_Darkness_Dragon http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Rivalry_of_Warlords http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Solemn_Warning http://forum.tcgplayer.com/showthread.php?242194-Effect-Veiler-vs-a-Lightsworn-monster&p=2581692&viewfull=1#post2581692
Edit: Btw, even if you know all of this you still may not become an admin. I personally fail at the tournament policy/DN punishment table questions. | |
| | | Bloody Kaizer WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:58 am | |
| Well, the only thing I actually did was just read the official rule book as Lawliet posted in the link and memorized them by heart. To top things off, I did it with DN's rules as well.
Pretty much, I just used what I learn in any situation and shiz. | |
| | | onlyaaron17 WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:44 am | |
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| | | akaFila Splash Duelist
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:19 am | |
| Or you could answer each question as quickly as possible without reading anything at all.
#yolo | |
| | | L.Lawliet Envoy Soldier
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:01 pm | |
| No no! You don't memorize rulings, you need to understand them - how they work. | |
| | | Bloody Kaizer WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:02 pm | |
| Every person has their own way of studying so just do anything that's comfortable with you | |
| | | Jaden H WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:22 am | |
| And one more thing MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO READ CARDS. You need to be able to notice how cards work and the difference between the card saying "Negate the summon" and "Negate the activation" and other different things in cards. Know how to read the cards | |
| | | L.Lawliet Envoy Soldier
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:37 am | |
| - Bloody Kaizer wrote:
- Every person has their own way of studying so just do anything that's comfortable with you
If you only memorize rulings and not understand them, you will fail. | |
| | | Al-Bhed Machina Mechanic
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:39 am | |
| - Bloody Kaizer wrote:
- Every person has their own way of studying so just do anything that's comfortable with you
That's not the issue. The thing is, you are not required to know individual card rulings at all. You can just open wikia in a new tab for that. In fact, you are encouraged to do exactly that. Neither dn admins nor judges are expected to be walking encyclopedias of individual card rulings. - Jaden H wrote:
- And one more thing MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO READ CARDS. You need to be able to notice how cards work and the difference between the card saying "Negate the summon" and "Negate the activation" and other different things in cards. Know how to read the cards
If anyone can't tell the difference between negating summons and negating activations, I suggest they just give up... | |
| | | onlyaaron17 WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:30 am | |
| I took Joco's test and failed miserably. Any tips on learning LADD rulings? | |
| | | Fish WDA Staff
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:15 am | |
| Priorities I suppose.
I warn you, the end of the road to becoming a DN admin is not sex. It is DN adminship. The two are very different things. | |
| | | Al-Bhed Machina Mechanic
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:39 am | |
| dont take tests other than the ones you need. When people make tests, unless they have to have a result other than do it for fun, they tend to do unnecessary things and fill it with obscure situations (heck, dn test is not a good one either in that sense, but at least they try to make it relevant, probably because "normal" people in relation to rulings complain, rightfully so). For ladd, you could just read its wikia page. That plus psct will answer most situations you'll ever come across. In case you want to know the obscure things for troll tests or out of curiousity, I guess the things that come to mind are: - Spoiler:
On negation, It will only activate once per chain otherwise it negates itself (uneccessary to explain now because of PSCT) It is mandatory, so it will always try to respond to the first effect it can (either a spell speed 1/2 effect activated on chain link 1 outside of segoc chains or the last effect of a segoc chain, assuming in both cases it is not an effect like super polymerization that cannot be chained to). Even if multiple mandatory effects try to do that (Ladds, doomcals) they will all activate and attempt to negate the same effect. When an effect tries to negate "an effect" directly (not negate "the effects" like veiler etc. I mean ladd, shi en, you know what I mean) it can only negate if it's directly after it on the chain. That means that if an effect activates and multiple ladds try to negate it, they will all be put on the chain sequentially by segoc rules, all attempting to negate that first effect, but only the one directly after it will work, negating, and the rest will fizzle and not lose any atk. LaDD can negate the initial activation of continuous spell/trap cards, but not the effect of an already face up spell or trap card. If such an effect activates, ladd will not negate. If the last link of a segoc chain is the effect of a face up spell/trap card, for example you summon summoner monk while your opponent has black garden face up, ladd will add itself to that chain, chaining to the last effect on the chain that can trigger it. In the above example, since it does not care about Black Garden, it will attempt to negate the summoner monk that is trying to switch to defense, forming the chain CL1: monk, CL2: garden, CL3: Ladd. However as it was mentioned you can only negate something that is directly before the negating effect in the chain, so since the irrelevant black garden is the effect before ladd, ladd will resolve without effect, unable to do anything. Since it's mandatory, it will activate even if it cannot reduce ATK/DEF further, however it needs to be able to reduce BOTH 500 ATK and DEF at resolution in order to negate (if it didn't, it would always be able to negate), otherwise, if it is not able to reduce both 500 atk and def for any reason (either stat is below 500, or LaDD is no longer face-up on the field) it will just resolve without effect. Currently how this works is explained by the "and" conjunction in its new text. As psct stands, "and" means that you do both at the same time, and you have to be able to do both to be able to do either. http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=4514 It negates but does not destroy. If it negates Battle Fader, it stays in the hand and can be activated during the next attack declaration. If it negates the effect of Formula Synchron to synchro summon, Formula Synchron will remain on the field, and if the materials are still there Formula Synchron can activate again, until ladd can no longer negate it. Lightsworn monsters that mill in the end phase will keep activating until they resolve the effect to mill, ladd will keep negating until it is no longer able to negate. However, continuous cards (continuous spells/traps, equip spells, field spells) need to resolve properly initially to gain the properties that allow them to remain face up, so if the initial activation of a continuous card is negated, that card will be sent to the graveyard by game mechanics.
On destroying and special summoning: The effect to destroy and special summon is mandatory. It will always activate. Even if you can't do one of the two (destroy or special summon) you will still do the other, additionally both are considered to happen at the same time for timing purposes. That is indicated in the psct text by the "also" conjunction, how it works is explained in the above article. So long as it is destroyed, anywhere, the effect will activate. That means even if it is destroyed while in the hand (fire king avatar yaksha, good ol' crush card virus), in the process of being summoned (solemn warning), or while in the s/t zone (equipped by relinquished and destroyed when relinquished's effects get negated). Remember though that cards in the graveyard, banished cards and cards in the deck cannot be destroyed (don't say chain destruction, it's an exception because the card text specifically states so. for the record, it triggers in that case as confirmed by the old sacred phoenix ruling).
On double attribute: It is treated as both LIGHT and DARK at the same time. You can use Honest with it (will be negated if ladd can still negate), you can tribute it for a virus if the attack when you activate the effect is the required one (since ladd is tributed as a cost, it will not negate since it is not face up at resolution to reduce atk/def). When gozen match is on the field, ladd is destroyed if its effect which makes it dark is active.
or you could just read the entry in ness's old blog, he knows better than me http://ygorulings.blogspot.gr/2010/05/blacklight.html | |
| | | onlyaaron17 WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:53 pm | |
| is trying to switch to defense, forming the chain CL1: monk, CL2: garden, CL3: Ladd.
Something I wanted to clarify with the links. I summon monk, I ask my opponent if he has a response (which negates the summon) if not, monk's effect triggers, then if my opp responds to the eff of monk (in this case garden) since it also triggers, then Ladd. But why couldn't Ladd be used link 2? It's like garden triggers on summon of monk, but monk eff on summon activates before garden but Ladd triggers off of monk... Also if someone wanted to randomly just use compulsory on monk just to make things more complicated. Link 1 monk link 2 compulse link 3 garden link 4 Ladd? I ask this, because this was the only thing a little confusing to me. Sorry if I sound like an idiot . | |
| | | Al-Bhed Machina Mechanic
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Wed May 01, 2013 3:31 am | |
| - onlyaaron17 wrote:
- is trying to switch to defense, forming the chain CL1: monk, CL2: garden, CL3: Ladd.
Something I wanted to clarify with the links. I summon monk, I ask my opponent if he has a response (which negates the summon) if not, monk's effect triggers, then if my opp responds to the eff of monk (in this case garden) since it also triggers, then Ladd. But why couldn't Ladd be used link 2? It's like garden triggers on summon of monk, but monk eff on summon activates before garden but Ladd triggers off of monk... Also if someone wanted to randomly just use compulsory on monk just to make things more complicated. Link 1 monk link 2 compulse link 3 garden link 4 Ladd? I ask this, because this was the only thing a little confusing to me. Sorry if I sound like an idiot . The opponent isn't responding with his garden on his own volition, you don't ask him on summon response since he has no say in it, and even if it was optional, both players would still have no say in the timing or responses (triggers override priority). Black Garden has a mandatory trigger-like effect, that effect activates in response to the summon of the monster. The effect of summoner monk which switches it to def also activates in response to his summon. That means both effects activate at the same timing (in response to the summon of summoner monk) and form a chain as per SEGOC. Nothing interferes between SEGOC chain links, first you form them by their rules and then you start responding by chaining to the last chain link. LaDD in this case is not part of that SEGOC type chain, he is triggered by the activation of the effect of summoner monk, not by the summon. So he waits until the SEGOC chain is formed fully to activate. If a player wanted to use something like compulsory evacuation device here it would have to be on at least chain link 4. First 2 chain links have to be the SEGOC links, then ladd has to be added first since it is mandatory (being mandatory it follows rules similar to triggers, no choice and priority involved), then the opponent of the player who controls ladd has a chance to respond first with another card like said CED, then the controller of ladd if the other player passes. | |
| | | onlyaaron17 WDA Member
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Wed May 01, 2013 7:56 am | |
| - onlyaaron17 wrote:
- is trying to switch to defense, forming the chain CL1: monk, CL2: garden, CL3: Ladd.
Something I wanted to clarify with the links. I summon monk, I ask my opponent if he has a response (which negates the summon) if not, monk's effect triggers, then if my opp responds to the eff of monk (in this case garden) since it also triggers, then Ladd. But why couldn't Ladd be used link 2? It's like garden triggers on summon of monk, but monk eff on summon activates before garden but Ladd triggers off of monk... Also if someone wanted to randomly just use compulsory on monk just to make things more complicated. Link 1 monk link 2 compulse link 3 garden link 4 Ladd? I ask this, because this was the only thing a little confusing to me. Sorry if I sound like an idiot . Alright that makes sense. | |
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Fri May 03, 2013 8:25 am | |
| I got an 85% and passed the level one judge ruling test... Is that bad? Were are still talking 3/20 questions missed and since they never tell you what you got wrong, its like "ok". | |
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| Subject: Re: Road to dn admin Sat May 04, 2013 8:07 am | |
| Be charismatic and make unnecessarily huge, wordy posts at every topic. This is coming from experience trust me, it works. 8D | |
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