plz help with my wind-up

MONSTER'S


wind-up dog x3
wind-up soldier x3
wind-up magician x3
wind-up rabbit x3
wind-up rat x3
wind-up warrior x3
wind-up kitten x3 monster's = 21

SPELL'S

dark hole
heavy storm
monster reborn
mystical space typhoon x2
overwound spring x2
upstart goblin x3
wind-up factory x3 SPELL'S = 12

TRAP'S

gravity bind x2
mirror force
solemn judgment
solemn warning x2 TRAP'S =6

-2 gravity bind
+1 torrential tribute
+1 mind control

-2 overwound spring
+2 call of the haunted

-3 upstarts
+3 pot of duality

-3 Warrior
+3 tour guide

-3 soldier
+1 sangan
+2 birdman

-2 nyan cat
+ 2 hunter

+3 zenmaighty
+1 leviar
+1 zenmaines
+1 utopia
+1 roach
+1 stardust
+1 disigma
+1 terror byte
+1 trishula
+1 black rose
+1 catastor
+1 brionac
+1 scrap dragon

im kinda debating on the +2 hunter i dont see many place where he help's me XD

Robo.... you've given the guy the OTK for when order of chaos comes out... However did you want your deck for GENF and PHSW sets or for all of WDA?

If so then, this is what IM playing for the next set.

CORE - Always put these in your wind-up deck

3 soldier
3 dog
3 magician

Other wind-ups

1 hunter
3 rabbit (may become part of the core)
2 nyanko
2 snail
2 bat (allows recycle and is a pretty cool card)

OTHER TECH

PLANT ENGINE (bulb, spore, dandy, lonefire, Debris)
1 sangan

SPELLS

3 factory (its a given)
STAPLES (reborn, storm, hole, moon)
2 pot of duality
2 MST
1 mind control
1 one for one

TRAPS only room for 3

TT
2 call of the haunted

Extra deck is STAPLE synchro monsters
2 zenmaines
2 zenmaister (way more powerful than you think if you use wind up knight ((SIDE WIND UP KNIGHT))
1 utopia
2 Tiras
1 Adreus
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Gachi Gachi

Robo-ky wrote:

-2 gravity bind
-3 soldier
+1 sangan
+2 birdman

You took out three soldier. You're build is bad sir.

i was hoping you wuld make a post here you seem to be like to wind-up expert XD

AND WHY ARE YOU NOT RUNNING RAT it lead's with dog or rabbit to zenmaighty for even more xyz spam i twice did a 5 monster card field fill with able to do more if i had 7 monster's allowed T_T

paradox158 wrote:

im kinda debating on the +2 hunter i dont see many place where he help's me XD

u forget that time when Al made u handless ?

The Cynical Duelist wrote:

Since we're going by PSHW and GENF

CORE - Always put these in your wind-up deck

3 soldier Okayish,bad after ORCS
3 dog Outclassed by warrior and is just bad,i dont run it and im perfectly fine,both better after ORCS
3 magician Gets effect off rarely without rat and is okayish with rabbit,Much better after ORCS

Other wind-ups

1 hunter If you can get a lvl 3 on the field,why arent you xyz summoning with him,dont run until ORCS's hunter loop
3 rabbit (may become part of the core)It IS core forever
2 nyanko Preference card and is mostly tech at 1 or 2,still the same after orcs
2 snail Garbage,what use is a one card F/D trunade with 200 atk and a very incompatible level,still garbage after ORCS
2 bat Slow,bad,not many good targets for the recycle,still garbage.

OTHER TECH

PLANT ENGINE (bulb, spore, dandy, lonefire, Debris)
1 sanganOkay,but you'll have to give up a bit of xyzing power for it...

SPELLS

3 factory (its a given) Hurr durr
STAPLES (reborn, storm, hole, moon)
2 pot of duality
2 MST
1 mind control
1 one for one using this for bat makes it a spell card that says: discard one monster card and add one wind up monster from grave to hand,unless you use the plant engine it doesnt help.

TRAPS only room for 3Unless you lose the snails,hunters and other trash then you get:

Fiendish chain
Mirror force
Solemn warning *2
TT
2 call of the haunted

Extra deck is STAPLE synchro monsters
Steelswarm roach
Gem knight pearl
Acid golem of destruction
Daigusto emerald

2 zenmainesYeah yup.
2 zenmaister (way more powerful than you think if you use wind up knight ((SIDE WIND UP KNIGHT)) Or dont,cuz he sucks and so does zenmaister for needing you to wait a turn for reactivation,almost unusable after ORCS.
1 utopia Bleh,i dun liek him,roach is better
2 Tiras Ofc
1 Adreus Ofc
1 Leviathan yus
1 Leviair to get back your removed from play monsters,except nothing gets RFG'd in wind up
1 Gachi Gachi Snail + cat. Cute. No gachi.

So do you know hunter loop?

-Ulquiorra- wrote:

paradox158 wrote:

im kinda debating on the +2 hunter i dont see many place where he help's me XD

u forget that time when Al made u handless ?

i acctualy forgot the hunter loop :3

sorry for the double post UPDATE ON WIND-UP DECK what do you think now?

MONSTER'S

dandylion
debris dragon
genex ally birdman x2
glowup blub x1
lonefire blossom
spore x1
wind-up bat x2 (mido it acctualy help's)
wind-up hunter x1 (DAMN I HATE WHEN IM WRONG)
wind-up kitten x2
wind-up magician x3
wind-up soldier x3
wind-up rabbit x3
wind-up rat x2 (IT IS AWSOME)

SPELLS 11

book of moon
dark hole
heavy storm
monster reborn
one for one
mst x2
pod x1
wind-up factory x3

TRAP'S 3

coth x2
mirror force

I'll make an exception and post here I guess...
Paradox, roro is talking about irl wind-ups for some god forsaken reason (I mean it has no relevance whatsoever but idk...), do not apply irl advice on DN, the difference between irl wind-ups and DN wind-ups is about 3 tiers, you are killing your deck.

The Cynical Duelist wrote:

Robo.... you've given the guy the OTK for when order of chaos comes out... However did you want your deck for GENF and PHSW sets or for all of WDA?

his initial build had rat, it should be logical to say we are not to assume a build is irl unless specifically told, considering this is online and the majority of people here are not playing irl.

mido wrote:

to get back your removed from play monsters,except nothing gets RFG'd in wind up

I hope you don't mean not to run leviair, everything gets banished everywhere and extra is for that kind of toolboxing.

I'm sorry to all the people who want to get emotional over their old wind-ups or expert-y about them or those that want to tell to all the top tier dudes who are now getting them because they became OP that there is more to wind-up than that, but the only core wind-up cards in top tier wind-ups now are rat, hunter and zenmaighty and out of wind-up you need the tour guide engine in the deck. If you want to make it pure wind-up that's your call and then on the specific pure wind-up build I am sure there are again recommended cards like there are in all specific decks, but once you realize you dont have to use every friggin card with wind-up in its name there are several ways you can follow

1: Go pure wind-up again I guess, so long as you realize your goals and core engine. Pure wind-up from my experience consists of getting magician + rat on the field to otk/produce massive advantage. Keep in mind that the ones below are much more consistent and much easier to use, magician-rat builds have variations of extremely complicated combos.

2: Keep the core, add a couple of lv3s or ways to get hunter in grave to make rat more consistent and then just add good techs all over the TCG way to fill the void. Keep in mind that both in this and the one below factory is NOT an auto-include, if you get one rat effect off you may as well go in a loop that leaves you with only 2-3 teched in wind-ups in your deck that might as well be useless, so factory isnt that useful there. I mean if the only wind-ups left in your deck every time you get a rat down is 2 rabbits or a hunter, why would you need factory.

3. Make a hybrid using the compact core engine and another archtype/decktype that works well with it, like T.G. (Tour guide + Warwolf gives a hunter loop without actually needing hunter in grave).

Yes guys, I know that your childhood dreams when you were playing freely with your wind-ups, rolling together in the open fields, were not like this, but what can you do, those got competitive now, and yes you can yell that's not wind-ups, but the core engine all has wind-up in its name so it would be a lie.

PS: Has anyone ever gotten out 2 zenmaines throughout a duel (in order to need 2 in extra) without it being just for fun but his/her best option available? I never got out 1, let alone 2. I mean when you are on the offensive ofc it will be useless and when you are on the defensive I prefer an acid golem to get on the offensive. I'm sure there are situations where it will prove useful but they should be rare enough to not occur twice in the same game.

i dont know what to do i keep editing it but it keep's getting worse :<